[LookOutSugarLake] Emails to the group

Mon Mar 12 17:51:06 EDT 2007

Hello all,

We established the lookoutsugarlake at sensociety.org listserv in order  
to spread news and information about the proposed Sugar Lake sewage  
development.

Recently we also used it to solicit thoughts about who might be  
interested in tackling other watershed threats. However the  
discussions of the threats themselves will have to be structured  
through other mailing lists, because some members are objecting to  
receiving emails about issues other than effluent discharges to our  
waterways.

We will try to put up a bulletin board on the website so that you can  
all post your emails there directly - meanwhile, I've copied below  
all the emails related to the Pine Beetle and logging, and will do  
this once per week until the bulletin board is active. The Subject of  
that email will be: Week's Mail.

Those who communicated in relation to the beetle might like to  
subscribe to the SEAS mailing list, which includes all posts to  
BCFORESTWATCH. They have been covering the beetle epidemic. Write to  
Jim Cooperman at mailto:jcoop at ribaa.ca.

So we will continue to distribute to lookoutsugarlake at sensociety.org  
all emails related to Effluent Discharges, and will gather all emails  
pertaining to other issues and send them all in one email at the end  
of each week (see all emails received last week below - hope I didn't  
forget anyone - if so, let me know).

Huguette

From: "Hermann Harlos" <hharlos at xplornet.com>
Date: March 8, 2007 10:12:14 PM PST (CA)
To: "Lookout" <lookoutsugarlake at sensociety.org>
Subject: open burning

Hello,

the provincial regulations for open burning can be found at  
www.for.gov.bc.ca/protect/burning

Hermann Harlos

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From: "Laurie & Gayle Rowan" <gaylerowan at telus.net>
Date: March 11, 2007 9:16:42 AM PST (CA)
To: <handr at telus.net>, <lookoutsugarlake at sensociety.org>
Subject: Re: [LookOutSugarLake] BURNING RE:  PINE BEETLE INFECTED TREES

To whom ever wrote the letter below date March 8
The thing is none of us will be "looking" at a few dead trees, the  
mountains will be red then grey then they will burn one way or the  
other.  I just got back from up North and the situation is critical.   
Because so many of us live in interface fire zones the bug attacked  
wood has to be dealt with and if it can be dealt with (harvested)  
while it still has some value (lets face it none of us can afford to  
do it for no monetary reimbursement) then good for us.  The debris  
has to be dealt with in a timely manner because otherwise it becomes  
a extreme fire danger.  Either we burn in a controlled manner and put  
up with some smoke in the air for a pre-determined period of time or  
it will burn in an uncontrolled wildfire and endanger not only the  
wildlife but our homes, properties and possibly our lives and the  
lives of the people we ask to fight the fires for us and the smoke  
will be in the air for months.  I believe your attitude of "rather  
see a few dead trees than a burnt out forest" is irresponsible.
Sincerely,
Gayle Rowan

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From: "John Werring" <jwerring at davidsuzuki.org>
Date: March 8, 2007 11:48:25 AM PST (CA)
To: <handr at telus.net>, <lookoutsugarlake at sensociety.org>
Subject: RE: [LookOutSugarLake] BURNING RE:  PINE BEETLE INFECTED TREES

What is this about burning these trees.  I though the push was on to  
harvest them!!!!
John Werring

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From: "Andreas Artz" <artza at littleshuswaplake.com>
Date: March 8, 2007 9:46:01 AM PST (CA)
To: <lookoutsugarlake at sensociety.org>, "handr at telus.net"  
<handr at telus.net>
Subject: Re: [LookOutSugarLake] BURNING RE:  PINE BEETLE INFECTED TREES
Reply-To: <artza at littleshuswaplake.com>

The only time that burning to destroy beetles makes any sense is  
before the first flight or after the last flight - early summer or  
late fall respectively.  The larger question of whether this at all  
effective on the larger scale remains unanswered, aside from  
questions of air quality and aesthetics.

Hydrology questions are also somewhat mysterious, with some quarters  
using figures comparing live forest to cleared forest lands in  
respect to water retention.  In fact though, given that there will be  
approximately 80% pine kill by 2013-15, there really isn't a whole  
lot we can or can't do at this point vis a vis accelarated snow melt  
due to decrease shading etc.  Leaving the trees standing has a  
marginal positive effect over time because they'll be dead and bare  
and a huge fire risk as everything dries out.  Do we take them down  
and replant asap or do we let nature (as we have have constrained it  
through questionable management practices) do its thing?

Peace and Harmony,

Andreas

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From: david jackson <djson at shaw.ca>
Date: March 8, 2007 9:16:56 AM PST (CA)
To: handr at telus.net, lookoutsugarlake at sensociety.org
Subject: RE: [LookOutSugarLake] BURNING RE:  PINE BEETLE INFECTED TREES

Yes, I was pretty skeptical of all the pro-development, ecological  
white washing that appeared in the Morning Star. The loss of trees  
may well be an excuse for further development all over the place. The  
article made out the virtues of the beetle control operation going on  
on Vernon  Hill. The reality is that 130x 5acre lots are proposed up  
there, and the desecration of the fragile terrain necessary to create  
the infrastructure for these lots high up on the hill makes the  
effects of the beetle pale into insignificance. Wouldn’t all these  
trees have been cut down anyway to create ‘view lots’. Yes, there is  
a whole lot going on that we hardly know about. It appears from the  
article that NORD has to approve this 5acre zoning. Under similar  
circumstances many years ago, we managed to get the zoning capped at  
30 acres, at the north end of the hill, but the scarring of the  
viewscape  is still as ugly as -..-.-,  Yes, once again issues as  
great as Sugar Lake are surfacing here, but knowing how much energy  
that has taken, who wants to take this one on?

David
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From: lookoutsugarlake-bounces at sensociety.org  
[mailto:lookoutsugarlake-bounces at sensociety.org] On Behalf Of  
handr at telus.net
Sent: March 8, 2007 8:51 AM
To: lookoutsugarlake at sensociety.org
Subject: [LookOutSugarLake] BURNING RE: PINE BEETLE INFECTED TREES

Anybody has information on this? sent by an email correspondent today:

I attended a BX Community Association meeting last night with one of  
the topics being presented on the pine beetle and the dead trees.    
While at the present NORD is silent on this matter, there are  
concerns being raised that there's risk that there might not be much  
or be very little restriction as to when these infested trees could  
be burned.

Don't know what the situation is in other areas but wouldn't hurt to  
check now.  We were told that the burning season may be extended to  
six weeks this year to accommodate one wanting to clean up their  
infested trees.  That has yet to be confirmed as well.

I understood that NORD has yet to developed a policy on this but  
given the choice, I'd much rather look out a few dead trees and a  
burnt out forest!

More checking on this matter is needed.

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