[LookOutSugarLake] So that's it?

Thu May 3 01:40:05 EDT 2007

Hi Mike,

The attitude might be old, but the changes to the regulations allowing
this aren't. They happened on July 8, 2004, according to  HYPERLINK
"http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/epdiv/env_mgt_act/pdf/wdr_implement_guide.pdf"
http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/epdiv/env_mgt_act/pdf/wdr_implement_guide.pdf 

An excerpt from the Executive Summary:

        On July 8, 2004, the B.C. Government brought the Environmental
Management Act (EMA)

    into force. This legislation combines the Waste Management Act and
the Environment

    Management Act to create a single statute governing environmental
protection and

    management in British Columbia.

        This new act encourages the development of innovative and modern
regulatory policies. The

    Waste Discharge Regulation (WDR), which establishes a tiered
approach to waste discharge

    authorization, is one example of the use of these new legislative
provisions.

    The old Waste Management Act strictly prohibited the introduction of
waste into the

    environment. As a result, any persons or companies wanting to
discharge waste required a

    permit, regulation or plan or other such authorization from the
ministry.

        The new EMA fundamentally alters this regime.

The tiered approach is what is handicapping Mike Reiner, but he didn't
make the rules. He likely feels the same way you do.

Bye for now, Nick Hodge

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From: lookoutsugarlake-bounces at sensociety.org
[mailto:lookoutsugarlake-bounces at sensociety.org] On Behalf Of mike allen
Sent: May 2, 2007 11:10 AM
To: Mike.Reiner at gov.bc.ca; huguette at imagine-ere.ca
Cc: George.Abbott.MLA at leg.bc.ca; MayesC1A at parl.gc.ca; Premier at gov.bc.ca;
Ric.Baker at gov.bc.ca; WWW.ENVMail at gov.bc.ca; Conrad.Pryce at gov.bc.ca;
lookoutsugarlake at sensociety.org; Tom.Christensen.MLA at leg.bc.ca;
Paul.HasselbackDr at interiorhealth.ca; jerry.oglow at nord.ca
Subject: [LookOutSugarLake] So that's it?

Mr. Reiner: 

In your reply, you state: "There is no discretion to refuse or in your
words "not permit this discharge" nor does the Regulation formally
require consultation and notification."

I'm a tax payer.  I ask you now: so that's it? A government who is paid
BY ME to represent the environment throws its hands up and says nothing
can be done because antiquated rules don't stipulate anything? 

My vote: please get busy and make new rules. This "My hands are bound"
attitude is so old. People want leaders who lead.

Just one more irate guy shaking his head,

Mike Allen

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From: "Reiner, Mike J ENV:EX" <Mike.Reiner at gov.bc.ca>
To: "Huguette - Imagine-ere" <huguette at imagine-ere.ca>
CC: "Abbott.MLA, George LASS:EX" <George.Abbott.MLA at leg.bc.ca>,
"Mayes,Colin - Riding 1A" <MayesC1A at parl.gc.ca>,
"OfficeofthePremier,Office PREM:EX" <Premier at gov.bc.ca>,Jerry Oglow
<jerry.oglow at nord.ca>, "Baker,Ric ENV:EX" <Ric.Baker at gov.bc.ca>,"WWW
ENVMail ENV:EX" <WWW.ENVMail at gov.bc.ca>, "Pryce,Conrad ENV:EX"
<Conrad.Pryce at gov.bc.ca>, lookoutsugarlake at sensociety.org,"Dr. Paul
Hasselback" <Paul.HasselbackDr at interiorhealth.ca>,"Christensen.MLA, Tom
LASS:EX" <Tom.Christensen.MLA at leg.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: [LookOutSugarLake] Kokanee Lodge Discharge Conditions
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 09:18:39 -0700

Your organization and other concerned agencies were directly cc'd on the
letter acknowledging Kokanee Lodge's Registration.  Your hard copy
should arrive shortly.  

I have attached an electronic version to fulfil your request regarding
the additional conditions in the interim.

With respect to meeting with you,  We received and reveiwed your written
submissions and telephone calls as well as those other concerns that
were submitted to us prior to making our decisions on additional
conditions.  I also voluntarily attended a related meeting that you
organised.   

Further, reiterating our numerous telephone conversations, the Municipal
Sewage Regulation automatically registers submissions that are in
compliance with it effective the date we receive the registration.
There is no discretion to refuse or in your words "not permit this
discharge" nor does the Regulation formally require consultation and
notification.  

Mike Reiner
Assistant Regional Manager 
Environmental Protection - Penticton

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From: Huguette - Imagine-ere [mailto:huguette at imagine-ere.ca] 
Sent: May 2, 2007 7:25 AM
To: Reiner, Mike J ENV:EX
Cc: Baker, Ric ENV:EX; Christensen.MLA, Tom LASS:EX; Abbott.MLA, George
LASS:EX; Dr. Paul Hasselback; WWW ENVMail ENV:EX; Pryce, Conrad ENV:EX;
lookoutsugarlake at sensociety.org; Mayes, Colin - Riding 1A; Jerry Oglow;
OfficeofthePremier, Office PREM:EX
Subject: Kokanee Lodge Discharge Conditions

Mr. Reiner,

We have heard that Kokanee Lodge has now been given the conditions under
which they are permitted to discharge effluents to water. 

As you remember, SLAMSS (Sugar Lake And Middle Shuswap Stewards) have
repeatedly asked you to inform us should this happen, and to please let
us know of the conditions that would be imposed on the discharge to
water. As you know, this request is not a matter of simple curiosity but
one of necessity: many of us drink that water, swim in it, and live by
it.

We also know that you and other members of the Ministry of Environment
have met with some First Nations Groups to discuss this matter. It seems
inconceivable to us that our petition of more than 700 names that was
sent to your ministry detailing all the reasons why we so strongly urged
your department to not permit this discharge, would not be the subject
of at least the same courtesy. 

Our question to you is whether this email request is sufficient for you
to advise us of the conditions under which Kokanee lodge is permitted by
your ministry to discharge effluents to water, and if not, then what is
needed for you to do so?

Huguette Beaudin-Allen
Spokesperson for SLAMSS

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